I seriously critique this, no, not as someone inherently going against American conservatism, but against reality and military science.
1. Federal government: In a real scenario, the federal government will curb-stomp anyone they are going against and WILL deploy their troops. Even if you make your new government, the ones making their own government from scratch will be at a disadvantage due to legitimacy issues.
2. Foreign support: The entire EU and UN will support the Democrats, end of story. Those who are benefiting from the American Empire will also support the Democrats, end of story. Almost all foreign/cultural soft power America has to the rest of the world is from the Democratic Party. Republicans have no soft power.
Coastal cities can and will be supplied indefinitely by foreign powers. Assume this.
3. The navy: Where would you get the navy, and where would it be docked, supplied etc.? You recognize you have to sabotage the international support the Dems have - how? You need enough navy.
The thing is that the vast majority of jobs in the military are more logistical than war, especially in the Navy and Air Force. For every infantryman, there are 5 POGs. Think about this one.
Problem: Supply POGs, admin POGs etc, can be run with no military training. Expect liberals to be able to do so - remember these people in the current timeline absolutely dominate anything that can be called as "institution" - they can run any white-collar job and they will let the blue-haired problem glassed people run the institutions.
They will have problems with blue-collar jobs and green-collar jobs (Infantry, artillery, cavalry), but that's it.
Meanwhile, conservatives would have an abundance of people for blue-collar and green-collar people, but no white collar people to manage these people.
4. Geographical advantage: This is a double-edged sword.
With all the foreign powers automatically on the liberals' side, liberals can blockade the conservatives.
5. Conservative willpower and morale: Contrary to this take, it will be abysmally low.
Remember the COVID and vaccination controversy? No, I don't care about the current civilian debate on COVID and vaccination that you are preoccupied with today; I'm talking about a war scenario. If there's a genuine civil war and COVID were still here, both sides WILL brute force vaccinate everyone specifically to prevent diseases in their ranks. "BUT THE VACCINES DON'T WORK / (insert whatever)" -> Doesn't matter. In a genuine war scenario, you will try everything you can get to prevent your people and manpower from dying due to freak diseases, personal freedom kind of be damned.
Well, in practice, what do you get? You whine about COVID and vaccination. You therefore show that you cannot handle such quarantine and limitations as a disease prevention protocol, let alone the bigger ones. If conservatives genuinely have big willpower, morale, and discipline, conservatives will take the COVID vaccination anyway, specifically to try and prevent more of your people dying from freak disease and reducing your amount - you will use "It's the best we can get right now and we have to prevent more of our manpower dying from freak disease anyway because the enemy are a lot" mindset.
This is just one example, mind you. Restraint and capability to endure hardship only matter when it is done as one small part of a bigger picture. You take the COVID vaccine and do the virus prevention protocols specifically to prevent you or your people from dying, so you can have more manpower against the Dems. You don't do so.
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Point: You underestimate liberals again and therefore you will lose.
Conservatives in general think liberals as "nice, effeminate, harmless".
Liberals literally think of conservatives as that demon that has to be tortured to death.
I always think of liberals as Bolsheviks. Probably the most cruelest people that ever walked the Earth. Liberals have murdered over 100 million people during the 20th century. Don’t submit to them, but also never underestimate them.
However, we are definitely under attack, but it’s not a normal war. They’ve been wearing us down since the 1950s. Union guys and black people allowed themselves to be used. Our industrial base is gone, and rebuilding it wouldn’t be too difficult if everyone made an honest effort.
And it’s against UCMJ regs to obey an unlawful order. I doubt most enlisted men would be prosecuted, but some officers definitely would.
To fix our problems, everyone has to pitch in, do what they can do. You can accomplish great things if you put your mind to it, and if you have the resources. “Resources” includes people willing to do their part.
You’re missing a lot, or misinterpreting what you see, and, you’re probably correct about some things as well.
But me, right now, I’m not happy about certain things due to how our government treats veterans. Including me, but that’s mainly because they screwed up my pension. I need that money to survive. I have issues that aren’t service connected. But I was awarded my pension because I’m a war veteran. And I got a few other benefits due to my low income.
Trump wasn’t in the military. He has no idea what we’ve been through, or are going through after getting out. He doesn’t know what questions to ask, and he’s busy with a lot of other issues, most of which I agree with him on. Vance was in, so was one of my senators, Doug McCormick. But they’re busy too. The VA is a mess, it always has been, nothing has changed since the Vietnam War ended.
My problem is not with Trump (unless he hired someone to cut corners at the VA, or he thinks that man will do a good job but I have serious doubts). Otherwise, my problem is with the VA regardless, and my fellow Americans for not taking the trouble to help mentally ill vets especially those who murdered innocent people (Pantera guitarist Dimebag Darrell, Navy SEAL Chris Kyle, among others). Nothing, NOTHING, has been done to fix the crisis of the mentally ill.
So those are some of the reasons why I don’t care. Why I didn’t vote, and might not vote ever again.
I can still make the case for Trump/Reagan/Nixon, and even the Bushes foreign policy decisions, but I feel discarded, literally forgotten about for the most part (there are other reasons I’m frustrated, that I haven’t mentioned). So the MAGAs don’t need my vote or my help in defending them.
I don’t know why other vets even bother to vote. The Tuskegee Airmen being injected with syphilis before and after we killed the Nazis for doing the same thing, nasty pollution at various military bases, burn pits in Iraq, lying about successes or failures in Afghanistan, other issues.
I still despise democrats and anti war hippies with every fiber of my being, and union guys are still stupid, going on strike, not learning their lessons. The democrats keep being stupid, and rioting, and causing problems. But I’m so angry at my government, that I’m not budging. I won’t help someone destroy this country, nor will I try and stop them, and I won’t help the republicans fix it, either. Burn it to the ground, rebuild, whatever. I’ll sit and watch, and not care.
And you’re assuming that the Army officers wouldn’t rebel. And much of the enlisted.
You’re making a lot of assumptions, where everything has to go just right. Wars don’t normally happen that way (again, Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, both WWs).
Plus, funding, food and water, ammo shortages, supply lines, morale. Too many variables to predict what might happen.
> Insurgents in Iraq & Afghanistan, and honestly even Vietnam War:
The US lost because the US don't win fast enough, and because the US no longer had the appetite for nation building. On bigger picture this is the actual weakness of the US - basically they just can't handle intergenerational conflict, war and resolution.
Think in THEIR perspective:
Vietnam perspective is that the US is an invader who installed a puppet government. How many generations you need before you have to eradicate that belief amongst the Vietnamese, Iraqi & Afghanistan?
Afghanistan perspective is that the US completely misunderstand Afghan rural life.
January 6th speak for itself. They won't - at least the 99. 9% majority of people in the military won't.
Think of it like this:
1. The right is personally stockpiling for ammo, guns etc. Sure. The right is the ones preparing for rebellion.
But in reality the left is the ones preparing for a real war (Institutional capture and alignment). The entire Federal govt, all opinion-making institution (media, univ, school etc), and heck even the military & the police force when they go "Emma with 2 moms" and the like -> all of them are captured by the left.
From screening soldiers for "radical beliefs", shoving BLM etc to police departments, promoting officers + people who make & deliver propaganda etc by ideological alignment, buying up all of mainstream media, buying up millions of acres of farmlands across the country, discharging soldiers who refuse to comply with X, all of that are closer to real war preparations. It's the left who do this.
2. No, your average enlisted man is quite apolitical. Plus, think of it like this:
Even assuming your average enlisted man is conservative, think of it like this:
The average enlisted man has families, has life plans, and has careers. Their livelihood depends on the system that trains them and integrates them so successfully through military machine and everything, both carrots and sticks.
Would he seriously abandon that - not just take a political stance but going DESERTING - Actively taking up arms against the US and its people, making themselves enemies of the state, risking the safety of his family, abandoning all of his life plans, abandoning their oaths to defend the Constitution, to the President etc against all threats foreign and domestic - all of that, for some plucky group of guerilla rebels who by at that point probably would have caused some civilian deaths, and the media (which has been taken over by the left) constantly propagate as bad?
Remember too that military officers are COMMISSIONED. Not just enlisted, COMMISSIONED. They were made officers IN THE NAME OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE US and basically can act in the name of the state on certain events (eg. A foreign army can literally surrender to a 2nd LT). Would they literally abandon "made officers in the name of the President of the US" for plucky group of guerilla rebels who by at that point probably would have caused some civilian deaths, and the media (which has been taken over by the left) constantly propagate as bad?
3. American independence war is not this.
Independence war = They think they were British, they just think the British are too far away to accurately represent their views. Britain ended the war simply because it's too expensive anyway.
This wouldn'r be the case in American civil war since the national existence itself would be at stake.
> WW2
You know what really happened in WW2? WW2 is "Axis punched everybody by surprise but after that the Allies overwhelmed the Axis with mass (Firepower, personnel, supply etc)".
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Point being again, you misunderstand the real situation.
Exactly! Hired mercenaries such as the cartels, and foreign nations like China helping the cities and prolonging the fighting. They would love to divide and then conquer us.
Anyone who has lived through an urban riot, quake or blackout knows how city folk behave. Just block highways & rail, & murder/ mayhem will begin in 2 days tops. Society will fracture along race/ class lines w no mercy. Anyone capable of fighting will be occupied w protecting themselves & their own. They will be incapable of assault on the heartland.
Everything on this post and in the comments presented are so Valid! It wouldn’t take much to push the needle from hypothetical to possible to probable to actual. The current situ the US is in and what it is experiencing, is the beginning stages of the inevitable foregone conclusion, IF the current Admin does not quell the turbulent political undercurrent of Deep State Infestation Pronto, Fast & Furious it’s Game Over 🤷♂️🤦♂️
This shows how deeply stupid and unprepared for almost anything the left is! They are funded by evil money and that has left them beholden to the devil! While we can’t fix stupid, we will keep reminding them that they just don’t have what it takes to survive in a normal world.
I seriously critique this, no, not as someone inherently going against American conservatism, but against reality and military science.
1. Federal government: In a real scenario, the federal government will curb-stomp anyone they are going against and WILL deploy their troops. Even if you make your new government, the ones making their own government from scratch will be at a disadvantage due to legitimacy issues.
2. Foreign support: The entire EU and UN will support the Democrats, end of story. Those who are benefiting from the American Empire will also support the Democrats, end of story. Almost all foreign/cultural soft power America has to the rest of the world is from the Democratic Party. Republicans have no soft power.
Coastal cities can and will be supplied indefinitely by foreign powers. Assume this.
3. The navy: Where would you get the navy, and where would it be docked, supplied etc.? You recognize you have to sabotage the international support the Dems have - how? You need enough navy.
The thing is that the vast majority of jobs in the military are more logistical than war, especially in the Navy and Air Force. For every infantryman, there are 5 POGs. Think about this one.
Problem: Supply POGs, admin POGs etc, can be run with no military training. Expect liberals to be able to do so - remember these people in the current timeline absolutely dominate anything that can be called as "institution" - they can run any white-collar job and they will let the blue-haired problem glassed people run the institutions.
They will have problems with blue-collar jobs and green-collar jobs (Infantry, artillery, cavalry), but that's it.
Meanwhile, conservatives would have an abundance of people for blue-collar and green-collar people, but no white collar people to manage these people.
4. Geographical advantage: This is a double-edged sword.
With all the foreign powers automatically on the liberals' side, liberals can blockade the conservatives.
5. Conservative willpower and morale: Contrary to this take, it will be abysmally low.
Remember the COVID and vaccination controversy? No, I don't care about the current civilian debate on COVID and vaccination that you are preoccupied with today; I'm talking about a war scenario. If there's a genuine civil war and COVID were still here, both sides WILL brute force vaccinate everyone specifically to prevent diseases in their ranks. "BUT THE VACCINES DON'T WORK / (insert whatever)" -> Doesn't matter. In a genuine war scenario, you will try everything you can get to prevent your people and manpower from dying due to freak diseases, personal freedom kind of be damned.
Well, in practice, what do you get? You whine about COVID and vaccination. You therefore show that you cannot handle such quarantine and limitations as a disease prevention protocol, let alone the bigger ones. If conservatives genuinely have big willpower, morale, and discipline, conservatives will take the COVID vaccination anyway, specifically to try and prevent more of your people dying from freak disease and reducing your amount - you will use "It's the best we can get right now and we have to prevent more of our manpower dying from freak disease anyway because the enemy are a lot" mindset.
This is just one example, mind you. Restraint and capability to endure hardship only matter when it is done as one small part of a bigger picture. You take the COVID vaccine and do the virus prevention protocols specifically to prevent you or your people from dying, so you can have more manpower against the Dems. You don't do so.
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Point: You underestimate liberals again and therefore you will lose.
Conservatives in general think liberals as "nice, effeminate, harmless".
Liberals literally think of conservatives as that demon that has to be tortured to death.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/01461672231180971
I always think of liberals as Bolsheviks. Probably the most cruelest people that ever walked the Earth. Liberals have murdered over 100 million people during the 20th century. Don’t submit to them, but also never underestimate them.
However, we are definitely under attack, but it’s not a normal war. They’ve been wearing us down since the 1950s. Union guys and black people allowed themselves to be used. Our industrial base is gone, and rebuilding it wouldn’t be too difficult if everyone made an honest effort.
And it’s against UCMJ regs to obey an unlawful order. I doubt most enlisted men would be prosecuted, but some officers definitely would.
To fix our problems, everyone has to pitch in, do what they can do. You can accomplish great things if you put your mind to it, and if you have the resources. “Resources” includes people willing to do their part.
No I won’t think of or about it at all.
You’re missing a lot, or misinterpreting what you see, and, you’re probably correct about some things as well.
But me, right now, I’m not happy about certain things due to how our government treats veterans. Including me, but that’s mainly because they screwed up my pension. I need that money to survive. I have issues that aren’t service connected. But I was awarded my pension because I’m a war veteran. And I got a few other benefits due to my low income.
Trump wasn’t in the military. He has no idea what we’ve been through, or are going through after getting out. He doesn’t know what questions to ask, and he’s busy with a lot of other issues, most of which I agree with him on. Vance was in, so was one of my senators, Doug McCormick. But they’re busy too. The VA is a mess, it always has been, nothing has changed since the Vietnam War ended.
My problem is not with Trump (unless he hired someone to cut corners at the VA, or he thinks that man will do a good job but I have serious doubts). Otherwise, my problem is with the VA regardless, and my fellow Americans for not taking the trouble to help mentally ill vets especially those who murdered innocent people (Pantera guitarist Dimebag Darrell, Navy SEAL Chris Kyle, among others). Nothing, NOTHING, has been done to fix the crisis of the mentally ill.
So those are some of the reasons why I don’t care. Why I didn’t vote, and might not vote ever again.
I can still make the case for Trump/Reagan/Nixon, and even the Bushes foreign policy decisions, but I feel discarded, literally forgotten about for the most part (there are other reasons I’m frustrated, that I haven’t mentioned). So the MAGAs don’t need my vote or my help in defending them.
I don’t know why other vets even bother to vote. The Tuskegee Airmen being injected with syphilis before and after we killed the Nazis for doing the same thing, nasty pollution at various military bases, burn pits in Iraq, lying about successes or failures in Afghanistan, other issues.
I still despise democrats and anti war hippies with every fiber of my being, and union guys are still stupid, going on strike, not learning their lessons. The democrats keep being stupid, and rioting, and causing problems. But I’m so angry at my government, that I’m not budging. I won’t help someone destroy this country, nor will I try and stop them, and I won’t help the republicans fix it, either. Burn it to the ground, rebuild, whatever. I’ll sit and watch, and not care.
The “insurgents” in Iraq would disagree with you.
And you’re assuming that the Army officers wouldn’t rebel. And much of the enlisted.
You’re making a lot of assumptions, where everything has to go just right. Wars don’t normally happen that way (again, Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, both WWs).
Plus, funding, food and water, ammo shortages, supply lines, morale. Too many variables to predict what might happen.
> Insurgents in Iraq & Afghanistan, and honestly even Vietnam War:
The US lost because the US don't win fast enough, and because the US no longer had the appetite for nation building. On bigger picture this is the actual weakness of the US - basically they just can't handle intergenerational conflict, war and resolution.
Think in THEIR perspective:
Vietnam perspective is that the US is an invader who installed a puppet government. How many generations you need before you have to eradicate that belief amongst the Vietnamese, Iraqi & Afghanistan?
Afghanistan perspective is that the US completely misunderstand Afghan rural life.
Read this and the entire continuation
https://www.reddit.com/r/WarCollege/comments/qoursn/comment/hjruiut/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
> Much of the Army won't rebel
January 6th speak for itself. They won't - at least the 99. 9% majority of people in the military won't.
Think of it like this:
1. The right is personally stockpiling for ammo, guns etc. Sure. The right is the ones preparing for rebellion.
But in reality the left is the ones preparing for a real war (Institutional capture and alignment). The entire Federal govt, all opinion-making institution (media, univ, school etc), and heck even the military & the police force when they go "Emma with 2 moms" and the like -> all of them are captured by the left.
From screening soldiers for "radical beliefs", shoving BLM etc to police departments, promoting officers + people who make & deliver propaganda etc by ideological alignment, buying up all of mainstream media, buying up millions of acres of farmlands across the country, discharging soldiers who refuse to comply with X, all of that are closer to real war preparations. It's the left who do this.
2. No, your average enlisted man is quite apolitical. Plus, think of it like this:
Even assuming your average enlisted man is conservative, think of it like this:
The average enlisted man has families, has life plans, and has careers. Their livelihood depends on the system that trains them and integrates them so successfully through military machine and everything, both carrots and sticks.
Would he seriously abandon that - not just take a political stance but going DESERTING - Actively taking up arms against the US and its people, making themselves enemies of the state, risking the safety of his family, abandoning all of his life plans, abandoning their oaths to defend the Constitution, to the President etc against all threats foreign and domestic - all of that, for some plucky group of guerilla rebels who by at that point probably would have caused some civilian deaths, and the media (which has been taken over by the left) constantly propagate as bad?
Remember too that military officers are COMMISSIONED. Not just enlisted, COMMISSIONED. They were made officers IN THE NAME OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE US and basically can act in the name of the state on certain events (eg. A foreign army can literally surrender to a 2nd LT). Would they literally abandon "made officers in the name of the President of the US" for plucky group of guerilla rebels who by at that point probably would have caused some civilian deaths, and the media (which has been taken over by the left) constantly propagate as bad?
3. American independence war is not this.
Independence war = They think they were British, they just think the British are too far away to accurately represent their views. Britain ended the war simply because it's too expensive anyway.
This wouldn'r be the case in American civil war since the national existence itself would be at stake.
> WW2
You know what really happened in WW2? WW2 is "Axis punched everybody by surprise but after that the Allies overwhelmed the Axis with mass (Firepower, personnel, supply etc)".
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Point being again, you misunderstand the real situation.
The one thing I worry about from the left is hired mercenaries.
Exactly! Hired mercenaries such as the cartels, and foreign nations like China helping the cities and prolonging the fighting. They would love to divide and then conquer us.
Anyone who has lived through an urban riot, quake or blackout knows how city folk behave. Just block highways & rail, & murder/ mayhem will begin in 2 days tops. Society will fracture along race/ class lines w no mercy. Anyone capable of fighting will be occupied w protecting themselves & their own. They will be incapable of assault on the heartland.
Everything on this post and in the comments presented are so Valid! It wouldn’t take much to push the needle from hypothetical to possible to probable to actual. The current situ the US is in and what it is experiencing, is the beginning stages of the inevitable foregone conclusion, IF the current Admin does not quell the turbulent political undercurrent of Deep State Infestation Pronto, Fast & Furious it’s Game Over 🤷♂️🤦♂️
You can tell the Librals bc they wear masks. Basically cowards.
This shows how deeply stupid and unprepared for almost anything the left is! They are funded by evil money and that has left them beholden to the devil! While we can’t fix stupid, we will keep reminding them that they just don’t have what it takes to survive in a normal world.
Or the vaccinated versus the unvaccinated
Flak “national unity” (libtardic pacifier and capitulation strategy)
Fifty Sovereigns
Choose a side
Arm up and engage
They wanted this, let’s give it to them hard and heavy
To the victor go the spoils
No quarter held
Better to just not go there despite the many attempts of city dwellers to rush headlong into catastrophe.
.50 BMG target practice.